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Spacely's avatar

What a joke. People like her and Tim Pool were never former "leftists". That's just a lie to gain credibility with their smooth brain followers.

Also your constant "both sides are the same" takes are so disingenuous. Go ahead and name the top 5 current issues both sides are fighting for. The left: women having the rights to their own body autonomy, healthcare for all, keeping our children from being murdered at school, addressing wealth disparity, housing crises

The right: keeping women from having the right to their own autonomy, attacking a marginalized group that represents about 1% of our population, and the rest is fighting culture wars that improve no ones lives. Except the bigots.

I used to respect you but now it seems you just allow yourself to get bullied around by alt-righters and then acquiesce to them. Both sides are NOT the same.

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Katherine Brodsky's avatar

I can't speak re: Tim Pool, but as for Ashley, I imagine that if you asked her about her previous beliefs, they would indeed lineup with those on the left.

I'm sorry to hear that you're disappointed but just to be clear as to my "both sides are the same" takes. I do not think that both sides are equal. Obviously they have different views on various issues—some might even align but each side has different ideas on how to address them. When I talk about "both sides being the same"...I speak of behaviors on the more extreme fringes of each side. How they treat those they disagree with, intolerance, bullying, etc.

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Leo Abstract's avatar

The "I used to like/respect/enjoy-reading you" comment is one of the most unintentionally interesting that we see online. As far as I've been able to determine, it is literally never the result of some content creator 'selling out' and changing. There's always something intersubjective going on, at least in a lopsided parasocial way. Sometimes it translates to "I misread your social signals and thought you were in-group, and now I am mad at what I am now coding as betrayal" and sometimes it translates to "I cannot make sense of the social signals I am getting from you right now so I have no choice but to interpret you as outgroup".

Seeing this one guy comment this under a discussion about changing opinions over time is a delightful irony.

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Katherine Brodsky's avatar

So very true.

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Alan Schwartze's avatar

Ashley: I know you are atheist but I would like you to consider this: “the tongue of a liar heat it’s victim” thanks ❤️

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Frederick Hotchner's avatar

Terrific conversation! I thought the following might be of interest to your followers, in light of your discussion about what kinds of conversations we need to be having these days:

https://heterodoxacademy.org/blog/jewish-wisdom-about-viewpoint-diversity/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=45ca2021-7769-4600-aa83-50f57f925eb8

If anyone is interested in a place where it is possible to have those kinds of conversations -- ones where the point isn't to win or change anyone's mind, but instead to better understand one another, see the humanity in one another, and find common ground, if it exists -- I'd encourage you to check out Braver Angels (www.braverangels.org).

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